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Twitter Space on our Swift Heroes experience

April 16, 2022
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Twitter Space on our Swift Heroes experience
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Awesome space on Swift Heroes with Adam, Amos, Martin, Stefan and me. I am still figuring out who the other speakers during the space were, I will update these note.

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Stefan Blos:

Today's space will be about the conference experience. Because like recently, last week, there was swift heroes in Italy, which was, was, I think the first in person conference again, or at least one of the first, at least in the iOS space. So I think it's interesting to talk about it a little bit, because few people here were part of the conferences, speakers or attendees, so they can share their experience, I have been part of it online only. But it's also going to be interesting to a little bit talk about the differences from attending a conference online or offline. And the advantages it has just a quick heads up, the talk will be recorded. It might be shared as a podcast episode later. So if you're gonna be there, then just mute the phone, microphone. And don't don't say anything, basically. We're always happy to have questions and people sharing the experience. So we already heard from Siena, but we're also happy to hear from others or if there's any questions, just raise your hand, and I'll invite you up to stage. So I want to start off, like, so the conference we will talk about is swift heroes. As I mentioned, I had the pleasure of turning online only. But the other people here who are also invited speakers, so your rune Amis Martin, and also Adam, they were actually in person there. And I'd love to hear from them what their experience was, quickly share mine, as the only online participant here as far as I know. So I think it was a pretty pleasant experience, I was impressed with the production quality they had. So the videos were always on point, the audio quality was mostly very nice. And if not, they addressed it really quickly. And was a nice, nice experience to use top end as a platform there. So you could chat with others. Which is funny because the platform's actually using our product, the for the company we're working at stream. So it was nice to see that in action and chat to people. That was cool. Also, like there was quite a bit of exchange there. And people were helping each other with questions. So that was a really nice experience. But I really missed the in person, feeling of meeting other people and talking to them. So let's, let's ask me the aim was first, I think it was your first conference, right? How was the experience of commoner?

Unknown:

Yeah, for me, I will say I had, like two experiences, at the same time, first time attending a conference and also first time speaking at a conference. So let's talk about first time attending a conference. So I will say, it was fun and great experience. It was my first time also to meet the iOS team at stream. And that also gave me the chance to meet some other people as well like meeting the whole team from monday.com. Yeah, it was really nice experience in that sense. Cool. And most of the talks I like most, I will say is the one from Google, the Google Firebase team. It was presented by by Peter free se, and also salotti. And then there was another talk from a guy I don't remember the name, but it was about more than collection views by example. Yeah, that was really nice. Yeah. And then, overall, the conference, I also liked it a lot because of his hybrid nature, and its ability to connect with people, both online and also in person as well. Yeah. That was really nice. And then another thing that stood out to me was that they put the safety measures in place. Like before you go into the conference room, you need to be you need to present your COVID pass just to ensure that all the participants have a safety so that was really nice. And also I will talk about presenting for the first time at conference. Yeah, in the beginning, I also confident like I didn't have to present a loan because I had a partner but as soon as I checked the website of Swift heroes, and then found some, some some Experience speakers like Tim Condon, Marcin from the judo app, and then me, Sally and Peter Friesen, then my confidence just dropped. So I was, there was like, to just, you know, very understandable. Yeah. Just to speak with all these experienced people in the same conference. Yeah. But as soon as, not before, I was going on understate, I was chatting with Martin, and then Martin, give me a hint, like, just assumed, like, there is nobody in the conference room. But there's also be careful about how you can just open your eyes and then just speak to the people at the same time. So that was really great. I just imagined, like, there was nobody in the room. And then I had some form of confidence. Yeah. That really Yes, word. Yeah. And then the last one is also our maybe, maybe I haven't used this remote for advancing the slides. So maybe if I have to do another conference, again, it will be just practicing with that. So if you can remember, at some point, I wasn't able to use it to advance the slides. I think I made some few mistakes there. So that was the lesson. And in general, I think it was a great experience. Yeah.

Stefan Blos:

I think that not everything is gone flawlessly is understandable, right, especially if it's the like a first time speaking experience. The other thing overall, it went really, really fluent in everything. So I think you did a great job. And it's nice to hear that like this, this overall experience was positive. I think you touched on the safety aspect there. And it's, I think, something that will still be with us for quite a bit. But it's nice that like the people from Swift heroes have done a good job at making everybody feel safe. Creating a nice, nice atmosphere there. So that sounds sounds very positive. was great. Martin, you are also part of the of the stream delegation who tried to the conference like what what would you say it wasn't your first one, I think, but what was your overall experience there?

Martin Mitrevski:

Well, yeah, it was not the first time I came to a few conferences in my life before. And yeah, it was great, because it was like the first one in two and a half years. And it was great meeting first person, and then also meeting other great people from the community. So the networking aspect was really, really nice. And yeah, the conference was also very interesting. My favorite talk was from two guys, I don't remember their names. But they were talking about secondary skill sets, software developers. And yeah, apart from that, also, Christos presentation was very impressive about developer tools, shy about async await stuff. And what else this one that was mentioned, was about modern collection views. By Gaetana. And, yeah, also the Firebase stuff was quite interesting. So in general, there were some interesting presentation. It's it only was very nice. And yeah, quite enjoyed the conference.

Stefan Blos:

Nice. That sounds like you're at a very good time. Did you? Did you attend any online conferences? And in the meantime?

Martin Mitrevski:

Yeah. So I've attended few ones I was speaking, get to online conferences while in COVID. And it was a bit of a different experience for sure. So first, you can't really connect with the audience because you either have a like recorded video, or you just do it and you don't have any feedback from anyone. And maybe it's easier for the preparation part, but it's definitely less interesting. And it really limits you in terms of improvisations, and you know, the return no jokes and stuff like that. So, yeah, I would prefer the once in person for sure.

Stefan Blos:

It's funny that you mentioned the child part because I was also giving a talk at a remote conference last year and And it was actually interesting because I was pretty fun because like, I met a lot of chokes, and nobody. And I'm used to that. So for me, it was fun. I get that, like the getting no feedback from the audience is rather difficult. So from a speaker perspective, I totally get that probably in person makes a huge difference. But what would you say like from us from a social aspect as well, right. So what would you say is like the main takeaway of attending conferences there? Is it more like? I, the talks are great, and I enjoy the talks. And then I go home and eat gelato? Or what would you say is like the, the advantage? We have gotten on the audience? You're mentioned a few times.

Martin Mitrevski:

Yeah, I really liked your book get done. I was just mentioning that about collection views. Because I've been mostly working with Swift UI, this last two or three years and collection views have actually changed a lot in this period. So it was a great talk, I really enjoyed it. And hear about this other question that Stefan asked so differently, I think that the most important part of offline conferences is the networking part where you meet people, and what happens, the breaks is really variable, because people share how they do things. They provide more details that are not mentioned in the talk, or in general, you know, share experiences. So I think that's the best part of of offline conference, because in general, the content from the presentations themselves, you can just take them from the recorded version that are usually published afterwards. So yeah, I would say that part is really the best thing about the same conference.

Stefan Blos:

Let's Yeah, I totally agree there. Okay, so as mentioned, to get data, you're also also the audience, feel free to also join us and share your experience from the conference? Because I think it was also your first time speaking, right. And there's also I think there's females also in the audience, who also gave a talk there. For I think it was the truest one, right. So if you're gonna try not a mistake, feel free. Yeah. Katara workout, welcome on stage, what would you say? Like, what was your experience for the whole? whole conference?

Unknown:

Well, actually, I just wanted to say I saw the space being scheduled yesterday. I wanted to join, but I was actually in the meeting. And I couldn't join. But Furious was in an okay told me you were talking about me. So I really wanted to join. But anyway, yeah, well, actually, it was my first public speech, but it was also my first imperson conference. So it was really no crazy, crazy experience. But it was really great, actually. And, to be honest, I was actually very anxious the day before. You know, it was the first public speech, streaming live internationally. So very understand that Yeah. In the moment, I was actually very calm. You know, it was a really great experience. And also, I was kind of in doubt, for the topic. Because I thought, I mean, everyone knows how to work with collection views. And these API's are not really that new. So maybe they all know about that. But actually, many people told me they didn't know about that. And they still have doubts on how they worked. So apparently, it was a very interesting topic as well.

Stefan Blos:

Totally agree, then, as you heard, like Martin already mentioned it. It was really interesting. Especially for like, a lot of people maybe haven't haven't touched collection us for a while. So it's always nice to have like a refresher on that with the with the latest changes, because yeah, you can always keep up with everything. So it's always nice to eat to hear about that. Yes. So you had you had the same experience. We already heard from Amos already. He also told us that it was his first in person conference and his first time speaking as well. So you're basically at the same experience the two of you, but it's great to hear from experience. Yeah, it's good to hear that both of you really had a good time and I just felt very, very In a good doing so and I think you both did a great job. So I was only joining online, but the feedback was was very positive there. So someone who's probably not the first conference for him, but who just joined us on stage with fears.

Unknown:

Yeah, hi guys. Um, yeah, actually it was, it was the first in person speech I did the year before, materials with Fabrizio was actually on the call that was recorded. So it was like, way different. Because like the best part about the conferences is the in person aspect. As even like, as far as the talk goes, it's way easier, like because of the energy of the people in the room, rather than just like sitting down and like speaking to a screen. So it was, it was a really nice experience. I've been to several other conferences like in person, but as a, like, watching them rather than speaking. So it was nice to be on the other side. For once, and actually next month. I'm speaking in PL Swift, which is a conference in Poland, actually, that's gonna be my first time in the country. So it should be fun.

Stefan Blos:

or less, that sounds really cool. So already already good luck for that turn duration. But yeah, but I think it's cool that there's so many new people also, like deciding to submit the talks and talk in person. So that's a cool, cool thing. And that all of you had like a very positive experience. It's also good to hear. For those who might want to try it out or are still a little bit hesitant to submit talks, I think it's always great. It's always a good idea. And don't know who, who's really interested in that. So always always to submit talks to conferences, if it's something you're passionate about, it's not always a good thing.

Unknown:

Absolutely agree. It's actually a really good as well, a really good way to learn stuff as well. Because like it pushes you to, for example, like I'm used to it for a while, but I've never actually delved into the details until I had to speak about it. So it's really nice, like to do conferences for that aspect as well. So I really highly recommend it for anyone to actually try it.

Stefan Blos:

out totally. I think it's always like, there's this. I mean, it's not a saying, Well, I totally butchered that. But it's basically like, if you if you want to understand something really deeply, then teach it to someone else, right. So if you do that, then, like you mentioned, it's you go way deeper into the topic, and will understand it way better. And if you share that, like be it with your team, be it with one other person, be it on a conference with a blog or something. It's really, really helping you basically learn everything way better. There's one more person here, Adam, you were also part of the conference, and you also organizing a conference. I think that's going to be also a very interesting perspective to have. So Adam, what was what was your experience from, from Swift heroes? Overall?

Adam Rush:

I guess, I think, like, the main thing I wanted to say is like I agree with pretty much what everyone else has said, especially for us, I think, I'm sure it was like 40 or 50% of the speakers were brand new to the to the speaker lineup. I think that is honestly, really amazing. I think we need more people to kind of stand up and do talks. Something that's really awesome. And I think conferences should, should promote this. Some people were doing that too late swift leads is speaker training. So anyone who's kind of in Dell, or, you know, wants to maybe have a go at getting on stage and being a speaker, we're actually offering, you know, free speaker training as part of that. So yeah, I think it's really awesome. I feel we should keep on encouraging more and more people to step up and do some talks. And we should support them through that. Yeah, it was, it was really awesome to be an in person conference. I mean, of course, there was my own last year. But yeah, I mean, that, that there's so much value from from being at an in person conference. They were very much a lifeline for me, like 10 plus years ago, when I was joining the industry, you know, meeting people connecting with people, actually, that's the value for me. I do enjoy listening to talks and you'll get a few takeaways, but I mean, ultimately, it's all about meeting people, connecting with them, asking them questions about certain topics and getting diversion. That's that's for me is where the the value is at any person conference. So yeah, I mean, if you've never been before, then I mean, I can't really explain how good is that just does so good, especially when the they're done right. So yeah, I would, I would highly, highly recommend. Yeah, it was, it was really nice Italy is also a very nice place to be. So that was good with the with the team. And there's a few people that I'd never, never actually met in person. So that was also nice, it's good to sort of make some more connections. And we go, you know, proves it. I mean, I've been doing this 11 years, and still, there were people I've never met before in person. So there's always value to go into these conferences. And then my final point is Kevin Burke, who was talking actually, I think he's still in the Twitter space. But about topics. I mean, you could have 50 talks about collection view. And they'd all be different, because everyone has a different version, everyone has a different way to implement it, there might be a certain API, but you've not dug in to say like, I would never be worried about the topic, because there's always going to be a version that is different to someone else's. So I think it's always really nice to get like a refresh on certain API's or certain frameworks, etc. I think if you're just looking for a topic to talk about, they pick a framework, you know, metric kit, for example, like nobody talks about that is full of hidden gems, pick it, learn about it, and then you know, deliver it, like deliver your version of that, and people will get value. For sure.

Stefan Blos:

That's a very good point. Because like one example of that almost also, like the text kids talk, that was swift heroes, I can't remember the correct name. And I won't pronounce it very wrongly, but the person who gave it, but it was really nice, because like, it's also like this, this sort of very distinct API that not a lot of people are using, but it was very interesting to hear how it's implemented, what powers it has, and how he did a lot of work on on using it for I think creating a code editor in Swift. So it was was was really interesting, although I may never, never need to use it or implement it. So it was pretty cool to see. Also, Adam, you mentioned that you met you met a lot of people that you never saw in person. That was part of my, of my whole some at home online experience of the conference. Basically seeing Adam with people he knows, and have has never met. So it was pretty nice to see on Twitter, people sharing, sharing images of finally meeting, so it was very nice to see.

Adam Rush:

Yeah, I mean, like, shy, for example. He's, I think he's the leader. monday.com we've been collaborating for rare winter carpet for like, five years. We've never met in person. And it's like, wow, you know, how is that possible? But that's, that's, for me, that's where the value is, you know, sort of meeting those people and, and just making friendships. You know?

Stefan Blos:

Yeah, totally. I mean, it's also something different, like if you if you collaborate online, or if you really meet and have a good time together. And I also think there's always, like, whatever, I have attended a conference so far, and I got home, I was like, so inspired and motivated to tackle new challenges and do new things. So it's also something that I think the online experience just like can't replicate that.

Adam Rush:

Yeah. I mean, that's one of the biggest drivers for, for my conferences is to inspire people. And last year, it was so incredible. I mean, one person who attended the conference last year for swift leads, they landed the first ever iOS job, like four or five months later, because they were just so inspired and so infused by the conference. They were like, Oh, my God, I want to work in this industry. And that's what it's about, you know, it's about nurturing the, the new talent and getting new people into the, into the industry. And then also as well, we had so many people because we had a really good talk by Yachty got a balloon on Indeed, being an indie dev. We had so many people after the conference, I I want to just build an app. I'm just gonna build any app, you know, even if it's great. Making coffee, and it's like that is that is awesome. You know, that's, that's really awesome.

Stefan Blos:

I mean, these kinds of talks that inspire people are always the best, right? I mean, not taking away from the, from the people who already said they're, like cuckoo. We're talking about things here during this this past conference, but like, I'm also a huge fan of these of these motivational motivational talks that that leave you really hyped and pumped up. So that's really cool. But yeah, I think we heard from everyone I think your room didn't didn't share his experience yet. I don't know.

Jeroen Leenarts:

Yeah, they they're done drilling. I think in my home, they were like, doing side work in my utility cabinets to do something with electric. So he's not taken off electricity just yet. So it should

Stefan Blos:

be good. Okay. So you move to the West Wing, right?

Jeroen Leenarts:

I wish I had a home that was that big. But mom doesn't have wings.

Stefan Blos:

Okay. Okay. So what was your experience from from SwiftKey? Ross, you also part of the process. And talking?

Jeroen Leenarts:

Well, let's start at the beginning, traveling there was really nice, had a good flight and got to the hotel quite easily because the taxi strike was fortunately already over. Because the day before, I heard some reports that that the taxi drivers in Turin were on strike. So I had the benefit of just ordering a taxi and getting to my hotel. Yeah, I met up with, with Martin, Adam and Amos today after at the conference at the conference floor. And yeah, really, really enjoyable immediately at a really nice talk to start the conference with. So that was, that's always great, you know, just when you get to a conference that the first talk is like really good, because it sets the tone for the entire conference, I think. And, yeah, it just was a very pleasurable experience, the weather was really nice. So people went straight up outside, during every break, there was a nice balcony, you could just chat with people added benefit is that you were outside. So you could take off your mask and have a conversation with much less COVID concerns. So for some people, which is also very beneficial to just seeing somebody's expression when they're talking to them. And what I did notice is that it's really, really hard to recognize people if they have these face masks on. Because, as was already mentioned, a number of people were meeting people that they knew online for the first time in person. And the same was true for me. But I didn't recognize Peter Frieza. Initially, I didn't recognize Adam. Initially, I didn't recognize Shai, initially. So it was very funny to just look at you see people look at each other, and they like squint their eyes a little bit. And I think I think it's him. But I think it's her I don't know, let's just ask and that was, that was, once that initial hurdle was was was taken with first few interactions, and it was much easier to just look at somebody's batch and just ask, Hey, who are you? And then sometimes just hey, you're actually that person? And that was like, really funny. Yeah, speaking, I was like, yeah, what can you say I did a lot of speaking over the years. This was my first big conference talk that I did like in two years time. So it was very, it was very different than I was actually expecting beforehand. Because initially, I saw that yeah, I got this. Do talk. I did this before. I know what I'm doing. But then you're on that stage and you're like, looking at all these people and then oh, boy, there's also camera pointing at me with even more people looking at what I'm doing here right now.

Unknown:

And even I think it was

Jeroen Leenarts:

three I saw actually. But then like the first few the first few sentences that came out of a mouth I really felt like Bugs Bunny. You know, like am I going like but but once I got the once it got like the talk going Yeah, quickly, was able to settle in a little bit, relax, grab back to my experience and just make sure that I at least tried to deliver the massive amount of content that Amos and I had to deliver in a somewhat concise way so that hopefully for people it was understandable what we were talking about. So yeah, that was like the presentation. And then we had like a night in the hotel we had like dinner which was also Italian so really nice. And so when for pizza, they were there one day and other night we went for typical other Italian dishes, some some pasta, some meats, so we're really good. So totally different compared to what you get in the Netherlands if you go out for dinner. And yeah, second conference day was much more relaxing for me because I didn't have to do a talk anymore. So that was easy mode. accomplish attendance. And, yeah, I've had a lot of interaction with a lot of people went out into town at some point to just have coffee with with a group of people from one day, which was really nice as well. So with 20 degrees outside, lots of sun, so easy. And then it was the end of the conference, and we had to travel back again. And I had a bit of misfortune. They Calum basically canceled my flights, I was supposed to fly like right at the afternoon, at the middle of the day, so quarter to 12. But the evening before, I noticed it was canceled. So I started looking. And the end result was that it was not traveling home on Saturday, but it was traveling home on Sunday really early. So I had to postpone my travels for like 16 hours, which was a bit of an unfortunate setback. But once I accepted it, and make some plans to get through this time, it was actually quite enjoyable, and quite relaxing to just be able to sit somewhere and not have to do something for a few hours, which was, which is which been a while since I was able to do that. Actually. That's all in all it is. Yeah, it was it was it was imposed by circumstances, and there's not much you can do about it. So you can be frustrated about it. I was a bit. I was a bit sad initially, because I would see my kids like a day later, because I was really looking forward to holding them again. But yeah, what can you do, then? I knew they were like, in good hands with a wife. So no issues there, really. But that's a bit of a bummer to have to send the message or make the call and tell them that yeah, I'll be I'll be home one day later. Sorry, people. So but it all worked out. And I'm gonna say the conference was what can you say it's a smaller conference, they did a reasonable job organizing everything. But it must have been Italian culture or something. Because I don't know that I shouldn't make too broad statement really here. But the first day, it started a half an hour late. And the second day, it started an hour late. And basically both lays, they dealt with it very, very nicely. But both days, it was like a game of catch up to make sure that that you were at the end of the day somewhat back on track with the original schedule again. Because of course, at the end of the day, because you are in a in the museum that also has closing hours, you could notice that it was important to make sure that that we got out of the rooms in time, because otherwise probably would be like looking at some conference organizers stressing out because they have to pay like a late fee or something was. So it was I don't know. It's it's I've never seen that at a conference that it was so consistent, consistently. Starting, like a little bit behind schedule. So that was that was interesting to watch. But I must say that the St. Vincent's test Yeah, I think the company has called correct me if I'm wrong. But they I think they didn't did a good job of organizing. And I must say the coffee that they had on site available and totally free. It was really nice. Because a bit strong for some people. But yeah, really good. Especially. What can you expect in Italy? Right?

Stefan Blos:

Absolutely. And also like if his schedule is like behind by one hour consistently, then at least at some form of consistency, right. So at least you can you can plan for that then. But yeah, just from an online perspective, it wasn't like that bad. Or it didn't feel that bad, because like, it was a little bit late, but I think the schedule went through really nicely. And they did a good job of like entertaining the online people as well. So they were in the breaks, there was also videos share sharing, like the coffee area and everything. So I think like from the from the video and online perspective, they did a really good job of accompanying regular talks as well. So that was that was pretty cool. But of course, I missed being being in person there and I would have loved to be there but at least they did a good job there. So that was that was quite quite pleasing. Yeah, I think we heard from a lot of people, we I just saw that channel rally is also in this space trial. If you want to share your experience, please feel free to do so happy to hear from you. Or anyone else who might have questions just just raise your hand or I don't know it's called in a Twitter space. Just asked for for being a speaker and then I'll invite you up on stage and you can also ask questions because we have a pretty pretty nice lineup of people here. So if you have questions, feel free. Like I just wanted to share two more of the of the talks that at They were not mentioned yet. There was this really nice UX talk by Chang Bhandar. I think it was also a first time speaking at a conference. And it was a really good, really good summary of, of UX patterns and UI patterns that developers and I think that's probably relevant for everybody should should think of when implementing things. So that was, that was really, really good. She did a great job of delivering that. So I think that was a really valuable one as well. And then there was also this talk about developing swift packages in VS code by Tim condom. And I was really, really fascinated by. Okay, so I knew that you can develop swift applications outside of Xcode, of course, that's, that's for sure. And I've used VS code quite a bit, my in my app developer days, but the overall tooling around that, that they built with developing packages was really powerful. So he showed like, a vapor application. And basically, there was like one command, and you can host it, like a Docker container locally, emulating a Linux machine. So you can test everything there with one click. That's that was, I think, really impressive. Something I definitely want to play around with, with more in the future. So I really enjoyed that talk as well. But I think we had we heard heard quite a bit from quite a few people here. Thanks, everybody for for sharing that. I think it was. It was fear also already shared that you will be going to a conference next month in Poland, I think. There's also a few other conferences that are coming up. So I know that your room will also talk it at one or two, right? Do you have do you have information? Yeah.

Jeroen Leenarts:

I'm going to take a Rama B E, that's a Belgium conference. It's crossed technologies. And that will be at May 24. And May 25. I think they still have tickets available. And then of course, as in Amsterdam, that's like home turf. For me, that's going to be at DEF CON. I think that's June 25, June 24. Don't ping me to those dates Exactly. Because I might be like one or two days off. But check them out at Def Comdata. Now, what they do is like also across technology conference with a lot of attention to mobile development. So it's mobile, but then Android, iOS cross platform technologies, and really great speakers and great talks, because every time they did an in person event, they had like really interesting speakers from across the world, really. And they also have a nice set of workshops available. And then in end of August, I think that's August 28. till August 31. There's a conference in in Denver in the United States 360, if I'm going there, because I'm combining that within Office surfaces for stream because stream has a has an office, the second office really near to that conference. So great way of combining that and I will be speaking at that conference as well. 360 IDF. Check it out. Then there's of course, one more so on the list. We have swift leads by Adam, that's already been talked about. But check it out Swift leads.co.uk. And that's an A one is text. Exactly.

Adam Rush:

That is on the 17th of October. So a little wild west, but the tickets are for sale. So super good. So that's the cheapest.

Jeroen Leenarts:

And you also have a call for paper override.

Adam Rush:

Yes. So there's two left for? Because yeah.

Jeroen Leenarts:

So and there's also support available for speakers. If they get selected with a talk, right?

Adam Rush:

Yes, they're offering speaker a speaker training. It's completely free of charge.

Stefan Blos:

I love that. I love that concept. That's a really great idea.

Adam Rush:

Yeah, we just want to kind of support people don't encourage new new people, you know.

Jeroen Leenarts:

Yeah. And it's always important because that's always what I've tried to do with coconuts meetups as well, which I do in Amsterdam to just get new people in front of a group, give them positive feedback on what they're doing. So that next time they do a talk, they feel more comfortable, confident, more equipped with tools and actual experience to be able to do a talk and to do it well. Another one that's happening that I forgot to mention is app builders.ch. That's a bit of a different conference. Check it out. It's like a totally workshop focused event. Small groups with interesting teachers from the iOS developer community. It's cool to be in Switzerland. So and this is a talk if you want to have nice scenery around the venue that you're going to check this one out because they they like it up In the mountains, I understood. And then there is the final one, which has no date yet is do iOS. And that's a conference that I hope to organize myself sometime at the end of October. But I'd still have to pick a date for it. Because the people I do that with, we want to basically decide on committing on organizing it sometime in June. So we want to have like a three month lead time to put all the conference together. So and that's pretty much what I have on my list for conferences that I know of right now. That is interesting. Pl Swift was also mentioned by somebody else that's Poland based conference. I think they also still have tickets available, but it's happening next month. So definitely check them out as well. And if somebody has some other conferences that they think we should be aware of, then, yeah, please mention it. And of course, there's going to be WWDC June 6, so But unfortunately, that's not in person just yet. But who knows, maybe in a few years time, we'll be able to consider and asking for permission to go to WWDC because it's a great place to go to, but it's crazy expensive to be in San Francisco during that week.

Stefan Blos:

I think I think the will having like this, this the first day, watching the keynote and the State of the Union, there's some impersonal thing, but I don't know how, how open it is really I think it's really restricted to not many people. Right. But I

Jeroen Leenarts:

have to be selected for that.

Stefan Blos:

I think. Yeah. There's two more conference I want to share. There's also iOS Dev. UK. I think that's in Wales, if I'm not mistaken here. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's also swift conf, which is a German conference in Cologne. I think end of August, but tones, I'm not really sure about that about the correct correct time there. But swift cough already, they also have their call for papers open. So if you're interested in trying out speaking then please consider just just basically handing in a talk somewhere. I think we heard during this space that the first time speaking experience was was really pleasant for for the people, at least here at swift heroes. So I think it's always a great experience to have

Jeroen Leenarts:

that. Yeah. Swift cards will be on August 17. And August 18. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And looking up iOS Dev uk.com. That's going to be in September, I think, early September, like Yeah, September 5 Till eighth. And what's interesting about that, one is that it's like, all the way deep into Wales. So if you want to travel there, internationally, you're learning either at Birmingham and then here have trade rights. I had a few of like, three and a half hours. And if you land at London Stansted, then you have a four and a half hour train ride ahead of you. But if the weather permits, it's a nice day, then it's supposed to be a really epic train journey to get into Wales. And they're very interesting, because it includes three nights lodging on a university campus. So if you log back to like the university experience of sometime that if you didn't university experience, and this is the closest thing I think you can get to that again, and they have really nice speakers as well.

Stefan Blos:

Yeah, the lineup sounds really amazing. Yeah. Okay. I think I think we covered everything we're going to cover I especially one of the things that people that share their experiences from from this past SwiftKey Ross conference. I think most of it is also applicable to most other conferences, as well. So thanks for sharing that. I think that's all for this week. We have We will be back next week with another topic that we will share before we start of course, so maybe on Monday or Tuesday, we will share that. So feel free to follow either your own and or me. And also, of course the other speakers that share their experience. That was really nice. That's it for this week. So thanks, everybody for tuning in. And hopefully we'll talk to or see each other again in the future. Have a great rest of your days.